Sunny on Iran

22 Jun

Agreed.

But…

The election was a fraud. ~ Sunny Hundal

I can’t help but wince when people claim that the result was fraudulent. We don’t know that. We suspect it, but we don’t know it.

The western press, as we know, polled the urban young. Many warned, prior to the election, that non-urban areas are far more conservative and that there Ahmedinijad is very well liked.

It’s apparent that some intimidation occurred, and the election result is questionable, but we should be careful about being so certain that any foreign election we don’t like is rigged.

And – this folks is the huge elephant in the room – it’s highly unlikely that the installation of Moussavi would lead to the rapid liberalisation of Iranian society.

That said… Sunny is dead-right. Conservatives demanding action are dead-wrong.

Know-nothing Republican senators and vacuous Tory blowhards should keep their traps shut. What would a “strong statement” actually achieve, apart from justifying the Iranian establishment’s claims of foreign chicanery?

If we can help the Iranian progressives logistically, we should. But help should come from western citizens, not moronic conservative politicians trying to score political points.

Iran is at a crossroads. We should allow the people of Iran to determine their own destiny.

*Yeah, I know I’m on hiatus, but I needed a rant*

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14 Responses to “Sunny on Iran”

  1. jy00768695@163.com June 23, 2009 at 8:16 am #

    I have a story.one mother says she’s aware something is very wrong, but she doesn’t want to hear about it because she just wants to “be with her children and see them grow up happy.” I tell her ,“But, if we don’t stop this, your children may not get to grow up at all.” so basically, she’s using her kids as an excuse for her own inability to face reality.

  2. jy00768695@163.com June 23, 2009 at 8:16 am #

    I have a story.one mother says she’s aware something is very wrong, but she doesn’t want to hear about it because she just wants to “be with her children and see them grow up happy.” I tell her ,“But, if we don’t stop this, your children may not get to grow up at all.” so basically, she’s using her kids as an excuse for her own inability to face reality.

  3. danielhg@gmail.com June 23, 2009 at 10:10 am #

    I feel ill at ease opining on Iran for some reason, perhaps because I’m not really sure but I also feel ill at ease with the idea that I’m not doing enough to help those that are trying to enact change.

  4. danielhg@gmail.com June 23, 2009 at 10:10 am #

    I feel ill at ease opining on Iran for some reason, perhaps because I’m not really sure but I also feel ill at ease with the idea that I’m not doing enough to help those that are trying to enact change.

  5. trottstone@gmail.com June 24, 2009 at 6:23 pm #

    I think the suspictions we have about the Iranian election are very much of the “trout found in the milk” variety. The election was far from free or fair, (even disregarding the problem that only those passed by the Guardian Coucil can stand), and there is nothing wrong with saying so.Not only is a “strong statement” the right thing to do but it can cause no more harm than saying nothing. There is a certain degree of freedom available for those already villified.

  6. trottstone@gmail.com June 24, 2009 at 6:23 pm #

    I think the suspictions we have about the Iranian election are very much of the “trout found in the milk” variety. The election was far from free or fair, (even disregarding the problem that only those passed by the Guardian Coucil can stand), and there is nothing wrong with saying so.Not only is a “strong statement” the right thing to do but it can cause no more harm than saying nothing. There is a certain degree of freedom available for those already villified.

  7. mrzhisou@gmail.com June 27, 2009 at 8:25 am #

    Excellent stuff Aaron, entirely agree – it seems likely there’s been some jiggery-pokery with the election, but other polls showed strong support for Ahmedinijad – although if we don’t believe the election, should we really believe the polls? We need to be careful in jumping to convenient conclusions, especially as we’ll probably have to end up doing business with the bearded scruff.The Republicans shock me every time – they seem so blinkered and short-sighted. So unaware of the impact of their imperialist posturing.

  8. mrzhisou@gmail.com June 27, 2009 at 8:25 am #

    Excellent stuff Aaron, entirely agree – it seems likely there’s been some jiggery-pokery with the election, but other polls showed strong support for Ahmedinijad – although if we don’t believe the election, should we really believe the polls? We need to be careful in jumping to convenient conclusions, especially as we’ll probably have to end up doing business with the bearded scruff.The Republicans shock me every time – they seem so blinkered and short-sighted. So unaware of the impact of their imperialist posturing.

  9. jameshigham@mail.com June 27, 2009 at 8:30 am #

    I can’t help but wince when people claim that the result was fraudulent. We don’t know that. We suspect it, but we don’t know it.I suspect I’m alive, Aaron.

  10. jameshigham@mail.com June 27, 2009 at 8:30 am #

    I can’t help but wince when people claim that the result was fraudulent. We don’t know that. We suspect it, but we don’t know it.I suspect I’m alive, Aaron.

  11. mrzhisou@gmail.com June 27, 2009 at 1:35 pm #

    James, would you be so quick to suspect something to be true that didn’t conveniently sit with what you believed in the first place?

  12. mrzhisou@gmail.com June 27, 2009 at 1:35 pm #

    James, would you be so quick to suspect something to be true that didn’t conveniently sit with what you believed in the first place?

  13. pepeperez67@yahoo.com July 1, 2009 at 6:13 pm #

    Are there elections in Egypt, or Jordan? I suppose there are but curiously enough nothing of this comes out on the media. There’s never any comment on the likelihood of fraud in them.Iraq is another example. Elections held in war time are not correct, but nothing was commented on Iraq elections on the media.

  14. pepeperez67@yahoo.com July 1, 2009 at 6:13 pm #

    Are there elections in Egypt, or Jordan? I suppose there are but curiously enough nothing of this comes out on the media. There’s never any comment on the likelihood of fraud in them.Iraq is another example. Elections held in war time are not correct, but nothing was commented on Iraq elections on the media.

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