islamic europe

30 Jun

Following Sunny’s latest post at LC, I have just read Mark Steyn’s 6,000+ word essay on his views on the Islamification of Europe.

I’ve read a great deal of Steyn in the past. He used to be a regular in both the Telegraph and the Spectator, not to mention his contributions to Canadian, Australian, and US publications, so I know his style, and more importantly, his agenda – think Mad Mel on steroids.

It’s a remarkable piece of polemic writing. He repeatedly inserts touchstone conservative issues – socialised medicine, abortion, welfare, militarism – into the piece, even when you would think they contradict his position (i.e. his overriding theme is that Westerners aren’t producing enough children, yet he attacks state childcare provision).

Steyn, like many rightwing polemicists, doesn’t let reality get in the way, and often employs incredibly weak “facts” to support his argument. Early in the piece, he attacks Europe as a “post-Christian civilization” (i.e. we have moved on from Christ), yet compares British church attendance against that of Mosques to make a demographical point.

Of course Steyn, while being a bit of a calculating shit, is actually dealing with important concerns, and is right when he states that demographical factors should be higher up the liberal agenda. We *are* ignoring the fact that our populations are shrinking. We are obsessed with touchstone social issues, when in fact we should be doing everything we can to increase birth rates.

I think Steyn is also right to say that excessive state welfare leads to a politically-impotent population, who are tied to social-democratic politics because they refuse to give up its benefits. The Result? Perpetual government where the necessary liberal radicalism is absent. This allows the right to seize the initiative and provide radical rightwing measures to any occurring societal concerns – see major changes in the ethnic and religious balance, and a resulting indigenous backlash.

Liberals must face up to the West’s dwindling populations. If we want to ensure we maintain the generous benefits and standards of living, we have to stabilise our demographics.

Also the rise of Islamism *is* a concern. Likewise a rise in a rigid form of Christianity should be a concern. We’re Liberals. We have very little in common with religious dogma, in particular the misogynistic and intolerant form of Islam which is rising in popularity. By choosing not to engage with Islam on multicultural grounds, and allowing our elites to kowtow to religious leaders at every opportunity, we ignore the impact of Islam’s illiberal mandate on our liberal society.

Let’s not vacate the forum because we’re frightened of offending an ethnic minority. If we do, society will see that liberals have no narrative on this issue. And we’ll then leave the floor to rightwing fruit-bats like Mr. Steyn and their solutions.

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8 Responses to “islamic europe”

  1. jennie.rigg@googlemail.com June 30, 2008 at 12:07 pm #

    We should be doing everything we can to increase birth rates? Are we not massively OVER populated, as a planet?

  2. jennie.rigg@googlemail.com June 30, 2008 at 12:07 pm #

    We should be doing everything we can to increase birth rates? Are we not massively OVER populated, as a planet?

  3. aaronsheath@gmail.com June 30, 2008 at 1:40 pm #

    I think European countries would do well to stabilise their demographic decline. Welfare states rely on workers to fund them. Ask Germany/Japan.We would benefit from stability, but not necessarily in Europe – if we want to maintain our culture and identity. Now, please forgive me as I ramble…In contrast, the populations in the Middle East are exploding, with little or no realistic economic infrastructure to support them. When the oil runs out, and the basic provisions provided by it (meaning both oil receipts and American support) stop (these Governments aren’t Norway, they’re not putting aside something for a rainy day), the whole region will go into meltdown. Is there any remedy for this? How can we stem countries with 6%+ birthrates?Lectures? NahWar? Effective but hardly moralHow about economics?How about we stop supporting undemocratic theocracies like the Saudis, unless they begin fostering genuine economic solutions and stop hiding behind the oil-dollar and the Koran. How about we build factories in Gaza, rather than throwing aid and bombs at them? How about we stop dumping African markets with subsidised Western food – decimating local suppliers and nascent businesses?What our economists have done for over 50-years, is to talk resource-rich countries out of their own money. We’ve baffled governments into taking on huge infrastructure projects they don’t need, just to readdress the balance of payments (get money back we spent on their oil etc.). Western corporations are the ones that get these huge contracts – making Country Club America and those who frequent London’s gentleman’s clubs very wealthy.We need to stop lining our pockets, and play a straight bat. We need a free-market, open system, but not one that’s rigged in our favour – if we want to spread opportunity and progress. Many people in the Middle East have no real chance of opportunity, so is it any surprise they turn to religion and resent the west?The answer is always economics.

  4. aaronsheath@gmail.com June 30, 2008 at 1:40 pm #

    I think European countries would do well to stabilise their demographic decline. Welfare states rely on workers to fund them. Ask Germany/Japan.We would benefit from stability, but not necessarily in Europe – if we want to maintain our culture and identity. Now, please forgive me as I ramble…In contrast, the populations in the Middle East are exploding, with little or no realistic economic infrastructure to support them. When the oil runs out, and the basic provisions provided by it (meaning both oil receipts and American support) stop (these Governments aren’t Norway, they’re not putting aside something for a rainy day), the whole region will go into meltdown. Is there any remedy for this? How can we stem countries with 6%+ birthrates?Lectures? NahWar? Effective but hardly moralHow about economics?How about we stop supporting undemocratic theocracies like the Saudis, unless they begin fostering genuine economic solutions and stop hiding behind the oil-dollar and the Koran. How about we build factories in Gaza, rather than throwing aid and bombs at them? How about we stop dumping African markets with subsidised Western food – decimating local suppliers and nascent businesses?What our economists have done for over 50-years, is to talk resource-rich countries out of their own money. We’ve baffled governments into taking on huge infrastructure projects they don’t need, just to readdress the balance of payments (get money back we spent on their oil etc.). Western corporations are the ones that get these huge contracts – making Country Club America and those who frequent London’s gentleman’s clubs very wealthy.We need to stop lining our pockets, and play a straight bat. We need a free-market, open system, but not one that’s rigged in our favour – if we want to spread opportunity and progress. Many people in the Middle East have no real chance of opportunity, so is it any surprise they turn to religion and resent the west?The answer is always economics.

  5. sunny@pickledpolitics.com July 1, 2008 at 6:26 pm #

    We should be doing everyting to reduce the birthrates in developing coutnries instead! 🙂

  6. sunny@pickledpolitics.com July 1, 2008 at 6:26 pm #

    We should be doing everyting to reduce the birthrates in developing coutnries instead! 🙂

  7. aaronsheath@gmail.com July 1, 2008 at 8:03 pm #

    As the developing economies can’t sustain the birthrates, what can the west do, Sunny? If anything.

  8. aaronsheath@gmail.com July 1, 2008 at 8:03 pm #

    As the developing economies can’t sustain the birthrates, what can the west do, Sunny? If anything.

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